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It's a matter of principle; something you obviously know nothing about.
Secondly, seeing as the Obama campaign has informed the public that they have no control over a volunteer campaign office, the issue becomes less about Obama's supposed patriotism and more about the willingness of some people to believe anything regardless of evidence.
For my two cents, I believe that patriotism is more than making simple gestures such as wearing lapel pins or making a specific salute while the National Anthem plays. Patriotism runs deeper than that, and frankly I find it alarming that such token displays have been granted such undue importance in today's culture.
I am not the media. I am one man with an opinion. And...just because Obama says that it wasn't his campaign office, doesn't mean he is telling the truth. IT was Fox that reported it, not me.
And yes, I agree with you that patriotism is much deeper than lapel pins or saluting, etc. but it seems to me like he is trying to make a statement. Otherwise, what's the big deal with putting your hand over your heart?
Is it a fear of not being perceived as politically correct?
Whether he knew about the flag being there or not it certainly shows a slice of who his supporters are.
I think Obama is a VERY angry and negative black man. His wife is just as bad. He certainly knows how to capitalize on the "Bush Derangement Syndrome". I guess people don't believe it could actually get worse...
Yes, it can get worse, with people who's greatest concerns seem to be who isn't making the proper salute!.......how petty.
We need a commander in chief who can think, not merely one who is politically correct(in the right-wing'd sense)......because the present commander-in-chief has left a big pile of shit for all us americans to clean up!
And, who do you think that commander in chief should be? And, what the heck do you mean by politically correct (in a right wing'd sense)?
The next Commander-in-Chief is going to have to be a man who is able to do lots of negotiating.......someone who has those ephemeral traits such as being able to command presence at a meeting of leaders, as well as hold his pee.....
Someone who can make unattractive choices.......and of the 2 likely candidates(McCain/Obama)......i'll opt for a change, 'cause the policies we have been following for these past 8 yrs are bringing us to hell. Whoever the next president we have though had better be ready for some tough times, thanks to the mindset that has brought the Mother of all Cluster-fucks to:
our foreign policy, our military, to events in the middle east.........and i can go on.......economy?
The Commander-in-Chief needs to lead, not manage........by inspiring people to work for a common goal.
So who Inspires you?
You will opt for change? Obama talks a lot about this and, frankly, I am getting sick of it because there is no substance to his message. Change is indeed a good thing; but it could mean anything. He…like most democrats don’t have a plan.
Who inspires me? No one currently running for office on either side. But I am voting for McCain because he will serve us better from a foreign policy perspective.
And inspiration is the key ingredient in leadership........getting people to do impossible things(......it's why we have combat leaders, not combat managers). And right now, we have an opportunity to choose a leader; not a tired, old manager......to repeat the mistakes of current administration........and like i said, it ain't gonna be easy for whoever that may be. But someone who inspires&can think well on his feet .........would be better suited for the foreign policy endeavors that loom ahead for the next Commander-in-Chief.....and that ain't John McCain.
Bill and Hill treated the White House Military Aides as though they were domestics - Hill insisted they carry her luggage.
With BHO in the White House we will have as a Commander in Chief someone who actually hates this country -- one only has to point to his wife's recent comments about her "pride" in America to realize this guy is really the Manchurian candidate and we as a nation are going to be in a world of hurt.
Guess one should be glad you capitalized Reagan. A capitalization well deserved.
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Jim Jones and Hitler were also inspirational and charismatic leaders and look what happened?
As i said before, there is no substance to his message; and people are going to sick of the "we need change, change and change" speeches.
And Urban.......we're discussing (sane) leadership.......my bad, i thought that was a given.
No one has yet suggested Obama is not sane(yet).
As to lack of substance.........he seems very clear about ending our experience in iraq ASAP.
Obama is a master at manipulation. This Country has become soft and so obviously desperate. Most American's have no clue as to how bad things can really be. Ask someone who was lucky enough to get out of S Korea in the '70's.
While I agree many issues need immediate attention, empty promises, bigger Government and spending hundreds of billions of dollars on entitlement programs is not going to "fix" the problems of the day. This kind of "change" isn't worth the amount I have in my pocket.
I have no doubt that our enemies are immensely enjoying this display of complete desperation. They aren't so soft, they know what hard times really are.
Anyone who believes Obama will have the same effect when he "sits down with" Achmadenijad as he does on American's is dreaming. None of those sorts will even begin to be so easily deceived or charmed by his "charisma". We are like sitting prey.
I have spoken with so many legal immigrants that have come here, and with hard work, had the opportunity to prosper. They see what's happening so clearly. This is a quote from a recent conversation, "This is not my Country, but I was lucky enough to be allowed to come here, and prosper, what is wrong with people that they don't see the freedom and opportunity they have...I took hand-outs from no one, what I have I worked hard for, I was allowed to earn it...this freedom should not be taken for granted".
Do all these people really want to lose the opportunity that free speech and capitalism bring?
This is not a rock concert...it is our future.
No, we don't need more of the same ideas that have predominated the executive branch. We can begin the change by withdrawal from iraq, which Obama has pledged to do while Mccain sees a hundred year war!
Unfortunately we don't have any choice that I would prefer at this point.
So...My theory, which I admit may be wrong.
First and foremost, McCain has seen and experienced the horrors of war first hand. If you observed him when he was endorsed by Romney and Bush Sr, his body was very rigid, he was fidgety, blinking, minimal if any eye contact, it made me uncomfortable watching him. On the other hand, when endorsed by Schwarzenegger and Kennedy he was jovial and appeared on top of the world.
He has said on multiple occasions, never let your enemies know your weakness or your plan. I don't believe he intends to remain in Iraq at the level we have been and I really don't believe he agrees with how this war has been handled. He has said as much. He is in a precarious situation as he needs the Republican base and the Independents. He also will not let Iraq know what is true intentions are. He has seen too much. Too many politicians will do or say anything for votes, I honestly believe he loves this Country and will not tip his hand to the enemy.
He is the closest we have to a Moderate choice and I believe the lessor of the evils on several levels.
You are right about the Iraq war being a mistake. But - leaving abrubtly now as commie Obama wants to do is complete folly. I guess you don't understand Obama's foreign policy plans and how disastrous they are. It's not just the Middle East; he wants to befriend Chavez, Castro and even the Iranian leader (can't spell his name). Can't you liberal idiots see this will NEVER work? Obama couldn't even name ONE Latin American leader! And this man wants to be president? He has commie posters of "el Che" in his offices, his wife admits she has never been proud to be an American. I am a lifelong republican who admitedly is very disillusioned with Bush, but do you want to go from bad to MUCH WORSE? Obama is a MISTAKE!!!! Go Hillary or McCain! Anybody but this anti-american commie lover....
-just as iraq is not our fight.
No, it will not get much worse with an Obama as president, as long as he institutes a policy where the usa is not in the "nation building" business.
.....and somehow Connie, McCain may be construed as a moderate.......but the evil
would be........ to remain in that region. Bring the troops home NOW!
Apparently those freedoms don't include what you wear, what religious beliefs you have, or whom you share a bed with.
Can you provide a list of which freedoms you would die to protect? Then it would be useful to also provide lists of things you would only sprain an ankle for ... or just might nod in general support of?
Inquiring minds want to know!
I never said diplomacy is complete folly. However, islamic extremists cannot be dealt with in a diplomatic way. Most sensible folks (both republican and democrat) can see that. If we leave Iraq now, it will become a breeding ground for terrorists. Is that what you want?
And you say you have no gripe w/Fidel or Chavez? They are self-proclaimed enemies of the US. Chavez in particular has gone out of his way to hurt us, and is planting seeds that will grow into anti-US establishments all throught the region. Whose side are you on? Obama was asked recently to name three Latin American leaders he admires. He could not even name ONE! Is a man who cannot even name three LA leaders (an area in which our foreign policy has suffered under Bush) a good choice for President?
Plus - this whole thing with Obama idolizing Che Guevara really bothers me (and it should bother you, too). Che hated the US, capitalism, and democracy. He wrote extensively about his hatred of the US. And this man's poster and Cuban flag are posted in his campaign offices? And his wife's anti-American comments really bother me too.
I guess you liberal types aren't bothered by all this...
Obama appears to me to be a anti-u
"The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several Communist front organizations," Kincaid said."
From: WorldNetDaily
I don't like to copy/paste, but didn't feel I could capture this if I didn't.
It's a long way to November, much can change. If you look at the polling data in the past it is very apparent that what may be true in the Spring looks very different by November.
I think Obama will need to answer a lot of questions.
That is indeed very interesting. Why can't everyone who has been smitten by Obama see through all this BS? I hope you are right and things DO change by November. I really think Obama is at least very dangerous, if not evil (all you far-left liberals can laugh all you want). What really pisses me off is that the media is conveniently ignoring the Guevara flag, Michele Obama's "not proud to be an American" gaffe and the fact that although he talks a good talk, his message has no substance. Sure - he is an excellent speaker, debater, and is very charismatic (but so was Hitler). Going further, the leftist media in this country is already piling on McCain for his alleged wrong-doing. Of course, this is the same leftist media that didn't care about Bill Clinton's transgressions and perjury. If Obama is elected President, he should thank the media.
So, in this "special case" we should suspend any hope of resolving a conflict......? --and i'm not sensible? Why is it, or under what circumstances that we should not, as sensible people think.......that diplomacy should not even tried? i don't know, but i must be crazy, THAT sounds crazy to me(not negotiating)!
And no, i am not bother'd by Castro, Che......D.Ortega......and i know a bit about them, as i fought them in the 80's. But to me, none of these guys(and Chavez) bother me. i can see how certain fruit companies, or the mafia, or the cia do not like 'em......but that's their problem, not the american public. i had no business training el-salvadorian's, many who have become ms19......but it was my job in the summer '82 at ft.Bragg(i was an M-60MG leadership instructor), now those skills are used on our streets--it's called "blow-Back"!
I agree, negotiating would be great. But, do you really believe it is possible to negotiate with people who are trained to hate beginning at birth? Based on their behavior, how can they possibly ever be trusted?
I don't see "hope" with Obama...I see negativism, class warfare and Socialism at best. I see him trying to take guns away from people, and I really think this could lead to significant unrest among American's and conflict we have not seen on this soil any a long time. Not to mention there is no way to pay for everything he talks about.
I ask...where is the "hope"?
I will show my ignorance...what is a "ms19", "M-60MG", "blow-Back"?
A couple of things about this place struck me right away: First, I couldn't help but notice that our blog host is as bright as anybody posting on the net today, from the right OR the left--and that, for the most part, the contributing commenters are no intellectual slouches either. In terms of wit, style and literary charm, not to mention basic adherence to the rules of English grammar (!), this blog is no Freeper clone.
The second thing that struck me is that, for a collection of otherwise intelligent folks, there sure is a lot of disingenuous, sloppy thinking afoot. I can't quite figure it out.
Witness this very blog post: it would have been so easy for Urban Conservative to check on the veracity of the Obama camp's claim that the office in question was a volunteer effort. It would have been a cinch--not to mention a valuable demonstration of journalistic responsibility, fostering inestimable gratitude and trust from chance visitors and other noobs like me. Maybe you don't realize what tremendous goodwill and legitimacy a simple willingness to sweat a little in pursuit of the facts can lend you. It wouldn't require the sacrifice of a single lick of your partisan fire.
But rather than conducting the all-important, legitimizing legwork, this really bright guy--who clearly has no difficulty writing and thinking on all six cylinders at once--opts instead to blog about an already-discredited propaganda piece, apparently in a flailing, fruitless attempt to breathe life into a story that was DOA in the first place. What a bizarre waste of time and talent. I'm serious! This is not partisanship talking. This kind of thing--choosing the wrong material from which to riff, however wittily--will get you precisely nowhere.
By the way, it's not true that Obama is all talk and no plans. What do you say you read his website, eh? His plans are right there for all to see. C'mon man, rather than shadow-boxing with the ghost of Che Guevara, why not attack Obama where he lives, where all good Democrats live--on his policies? Flex some mental muscle; wonk-out a little. There's enough there for any conservative worth his salt to whip himself into politically blogworthy fulminations for months.
It's not that you're not up to the task. You're lazy, preferring cheap shots and canned talking-points to exercising your noodle and taking a substantive stand. Be an opponent, for God's sake--not a gossipy, irrelevant, paper tiger. Lord knows there's enough of those drifting about in blogospheric obscurity.
But then, you never promised me a rose garden, much less a con-blog that traffics in anything more useful or timely or pertinent than spectral invocations of that musty old icon of socialistic badassedness, Che G. Outta sight, my brother; thanks for the blast from the past.
Ability-wise, you're so close to being on the ball here, it's crazy. But as the old saying goes, a miss is as good as a mile.
Good luck,
"By the way, it's not true that Obama is all talk and no plans."
So true...Obama's plan...SOCIALISM, though he would prefer Dictatorship.
It sounds like you are a good little sheep. Sometimes less is more. I hope all that drivel made you feel better.
"I will show my ignorance...what is a "ms19", "M-60MG", "blow-Back"?" OK....my bad, it's the MS13 gang(Mara Salvatrucha).....sorry about the typo. In the early 1980's while i was a soldier in Ft.Bragg, soldiers from ElSalvador were being trained by my unit .......There was a nasty civil war going on, and some of the troops we trained ended up as MS13 gang members.......which has been exported to the united states. An M-60 was a machine gun we used at that time......and blow-back is the unintended consequences of an action taken......in the case of the usa, we have a penchant for becoming involved in the affairs of other nations to achieve some strategic gain, and many times our actions have a ripple effect far beyond what was anticipated. Take iran......in 1953 the usa staged a coup to insert a ruler favorable to us in our struggle against the soviets......1979, the people rose up in disgust at the shah, and siezed our embassy.......the site of cia operations.
We need a leader---someone able to think more than one move ahead(to use a chess metaphor)......Someone who can arm and equip our troops with up to date, modern weapons, and ALL the accoutrement's of war.......like magazines that work, blast resistant vehicles. We can save BILLIONS of dollars by just forgoing 1 Virginia Class Submarine. But you seem so scared of the socialist/commie boogie-man, when it's the capitalist pigs(gee i sound like a red!)that have ruined our country and our otherwise fine military institutions.
Seriously, why bother replying if that's all you've got? There's no "there" there. Sometimes less is just...less: insufficient, inferior, lessor-than. You couldn't forego hyperbole for half a second. Apparently, substance is to Connie as water is to witch: to be avoided at all costs.
Obama is not a socialist any more than Bush is a fascist and neither wants a dictatorship, for the love of God. What infantile twaddle. If you really believe that about Obama--if you weren't joking or exaggerating for effect--then you must be delusional, out of your mind. Here's wishing you a speedy recovery from your affliction.
Cheers,
I don't believe you can use diplomacy to change the beliefs of Muslim extremists that have been programmed from birth to destroy the infidel. And yes, our foreign policies in the Middle East over the last 80 or so years do give them many reasons to hate us. These people will not rest until we are destroyed - understand that.
As you probably know, Hugo Chavez has been very busy in Venezuela expropriating US business interests in the name of Socialism. Castro did the same thing in the early sixties. Almost without exception, all the factories, refineries and mines Castro stole from us fell into disrepair and idleness. Chavez is following the same path as Castro. Cuba was once the most advanced country in Latin America. Look at it now. And don't blame their position on the embargo, either. These guys may not bother you, but they do bother many millions of Americans, not just Cuban-Americans. Ahmadinejad probably doesn't bother you either, I suppose?
As far as Chavez and Castro are concerned, and the expropriation of business interests in those countries makes it seem as if my service as a paratrooper was all about being "an enforcer" for business instead of fighting to protect freedom(.......oh, my bad......i was protecting the freedom of business interests to make obscene profits!) My question is: what has exxon/mobile done for the american people? They provide us with fuel, and to make more profits, they try to control as much of the process of production as possible. Publicly traded and trying to make a profit is an excuse that seems to trump personal liberties at times. i have no problem with making a profit, but when companies have power and influence over elected officials, then profit making takes on an uglier quality.
Jimmy, i haven't tried(killing myself), but others have.....so i quess i am here for a reason. From the Gospel of Luke Ch22/38: "........And they said: "Look Master, here are two swords!"
And He said to them: "That is enough."--i wonder what Jesus was talking about?
Maybe he was an insurgent.........
There's something going on on this blog that has nothing to do with politics. Jimmy, you're hiding something very dark and cruel behind a veil of political ideology. Your comment to me is by no means representative of true conservatism, that's for sure. None of the Republicans I know--and there are gobs of them here in Sacramento--would say such a thing to me or to anybody. Not for any reason, ever.
Last time I checked it's a two-party system we have here in this country. We're supposed to compete in the marketplace of ideas--not tell the opposing side they ought to go kill themselves. I realize of course that says everything about you and absolutely nothing about your otherwise honorable party.
You say "The purpose of engaging the leaders of an "unfriendly" nation is partly to encourage the idea that perhaps some of the rhetoric about our nation is not correct". Sounds great, but do you think Obama will do that? Musharraf is on his way out in Pakistan. Pulling out of Iraq anytime soon will add more kindling to the Middle East fire. Iran will continue to be a problem. Peace in Israel will probably never happen. Now insert into this equation a young president with very little foreign relations experience and with a naive expectation that he can go out and make nice with all our adversaries. I honestly hope he does well, if elected (which looks like a pretty good bet right now). I just don't want to go back to the Jimmy Carter days (or worse).
Just so you know, I've been a lifelong republican until Bush. I am now a registered democrat, but I was hoping Hillary would do better. Obama has whipped up America with his oratory skills, charisma, youth and good looks. He is the media darling. But what does he really bring to the table? Hillary or even McCain are more qualified to be President. But, that's only my opinion. It's nice to see blogs like this one where folks with half a brain can exchange meaningful rhetoric.
in 2000......i did not vote for Bush simply because it was clear to me he was the oil industries man. i may have voted for McCain, but he was smeared by Bush's machine.......and i didn't like Al Gore much. But being right in my assessment of young Bush was no comfort. Our next Cmd.-in-Chief will have his work cut out for him or her....and there is simply no way any person can adequately prepare for the task. Past administrations seem to think only far enough untill the next election, and these dysfunctional policies has led to the blow-back and negative public opinion(in that region in particular) that makes the task at hand all the more difficult.
It will not be enough to simply rely on military power to achieve our goals, because armed might is merely an extension of our foreign policy.......not to be used to the exclusion of negotiations, but in conjunction with diplomacy. This is the main lesson to be gained from this iraq fiasco. And when we do resort to the military option, a leader needs to listen to ALL opinions of his military staff, not just those from likely "yes men". One thing that is clear to me is the need for more active duty personnel in the military(not reservist or NG's)......and less money spent on big ticket items like Virginia Class subs.
John McCain.......i give him credit for what he has endured, but i think he is too beholden to special interests. Can Obama do it? Maybe we'll find out.
It sounds like you have a great deal of "inside" understanding of the military. Far more than I do. My biggest issue at this juncture is Homeland Security. Without this none of the other issues will really matter much. However, economy and safety is difficult to separate.
History has proven that bigger Government has generally lead to an uprising of the people, followed by Monarchy/Oligarchy. George Washington said, " Proper limitation of Government is the foundation of freedom. Reason and freedom both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle". Benjamin Franklin added, "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom", followed by, "As Nations become corrupt and vicious they have more need of masters". When you look back at Rome, it is difficult to ignore the parallels.
Speaking as someone in the industry, our Health Care system is quite simply a mess. Publicly traded for profit companies are all very powerful and the result in some, if not most instances, has been control of personal liberties. Hence, how do you legislate morality? On the other hand, if Government steps in and takes control of Health Care, Utilities, Banks,...general things we all need to survive, I do not see this to be a better option. Who do we have that can step in to this absolute mess that has been created, and while maintaining personal liberties pull us back the other direction? Britain just took over a large bank (don't know the specifics on this) that was in destitute negatives and now, the burden of all this debt is squarely back fully and directly on the people. I see our Country so close to this.
All in all...politicians involved in special interest and/or power both seem to be a grim choice to me. Mr. Obama's voting record no doubt points to loss of personal liberties and personal responsibility. Mrs. Clinton much the same. Mr. McCain, I agree with you has, many special interests.
At no point in time in history has the Government taken over with the end result being positive, in fact the diametric opposite has taken place. There is no way ANY "Messiah" or other individual can by some genius fix this alone. The American people need to wake up and remember they all have personal responsibility to maintain our liberties. Blindly following anyone, without doing homework is hopeless.
I can tell you this, the last thing I want is to lose, is the Right to Bear Arms. People seem to be more involved in restricting smoking, who should be allowed to marry whom... and it goes on and on... rather than paying attention to far larger issues of the day.
It all looks like Rome to me.
"It all looks like Rome to me."--finally we agree on something......and "rather than paying attention to far larger issues", our nation seems to have it's attention diverted away.......Why? Just as an illusionist tricks us to take our eye off the card, politicians(of both parties)muddy the waters of politics with these so-called issues to divert our attention from the "man behind the curtain". Simply put, our government operates on a corrupt system of bribery........special interests have special access to congress, and the executive branch, to the detriment of our pocketbooks. I've personally seen the way this corruption has negatively impacted our military and i saw the same thing happening in the highway department i worked at(RaleighNC).........there is a lot of easy money to be made by people with the right connections. This is what I call Big Government.
I have a Ruger .357, an SKS assault rifle.......& lots of ammo(hidden away). I'm trying to focus peoples attention on the Real problem........it's not welfare mamas killing America.......it's the corporate whores and there "friends" in Washington.
I am a first generation Cuban-American. My parents came over from Cuba in '61. My dad was an Cuban Air Force pilot. When he saw what Castro was all about, he quicky defected to the US.
As you can imagine, my father adopted this country as his, became a citizen, and was always a Republican. He hated Kennedy for all his screw-ups involving his homeland and had been a conservative unitl GW Bush changed his mind.
As for me, I served in the US Air Force for 3 years (84-87) and am proud to be an American.
Let's hope Obama does well, because it looks like he will be our next Prez...
There is a lot of time until November. Do you really think all of Obama's ties to friends involved in communism won't become an issue at some point?
Then there is Farrakhan, the "Nation of Islam" support, his wife's mouth, the crazy church he chooses to go to, his real voting record, and I could go on.
All his talk about special interests and Lobbyists, well he's got several on his payroll.
I just can't imagine the media or his opponent will continue to give him a pass on all of this.
For goodness sakes, people are asked more in a job interview for an Insurance company than he has had to answer.
Mrs. Obama says she and her husband believe the "souls" of people need to be healed. Give me a break. That is creepy.
Sadly, this is true......and somehow i doubt our founding fathers envisioned a system where overt bribery was the method to begin the legislative process. And it always boils down to picking the worse of 2 evils for elected office.......and the one with the most money to produce the most smear ads wins. The enemies are not conservative, they are not liberal.......they are the Washington Lobbies.
It's getting much harder to bury your head in the sand.
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?...
We will probably never be able to prove this war was waged for purely profit motives.......but it does speak loudly when this young troop cries out he didn't sign up to make KBR's profits soar.
Thanks for sharing that URL.
I am in the mental health field and hear from the gut level many sides of this issue. Being a "spectator" I can only gather the information I have and try to sort out what I believe. I certainly believe the people that have been in Iraq over anything I hear in the media...particularly the ones I see, who have no agenda other than healing themselves.
My heart goes out to all of them, which isn't much I know. My comment about "burying my head in the sand"- many say that if we pull out now it will make them feel as if it what they did and have gone through was worthless, and others are quite like the gentleman in the URL you sent. It just seems a no win situation at this point.
"many say that if we pull out now it will make them feel as if it what they did and have gone through was worthless,......."
When i was in high school(near Ft. Bragg), in the early 70's, i would hang out with these GI's......they had the best weed(being back from nam). They also had heroin addictions(something i avoided). They would speak of their experiences, and the pointlessness of their situation; they all were trying to avoid being a casualty in a war already lost.
Our countries leaders have placed a new generation in an equally grim situation. To me. the punks are the ones who so blithely send these troops into this mess.
You state "The enemies are not conservative, they are not liberal.......they are the Washington Lobbies." and "it's not welfare mamas killing America.......it's the corporate whores and there "friends" in Washington." I agree. But - I don't think Obama (or Clinton or McCain) will change any of the corruption and lobbying that has always gone on (and probably always will). Unfortunately, it's "pick your poison" time again. If Obama is elected, we will probably return to something like our country had to endure during the Jimmy Carter days. That is, high taxes, high inflation, high unemployment and surely a worsening economy (you think times are bad now??). Our foreign policy will probably be to appease those who will do us harm (ie - Muslim extremists), while destroying the closer ties we now have with our main allies (Germany, France, Britain and Canada). If you haven't noticed, Merkel in Germany and Sarcozy in France have become much more pro-US than their predecessors. Why? - these leaders recognize the threat we face with Muslim extremism,and that they must unite with the other Western powers to combat this scourge. Obama intends to take this whole process in the other direction. Obama wants to re-do NAFTA. Do you think Canada will like this? I can go on....Foreign policy is extremely important. Bush has not done a great job, but Obama will be a disaster in the opposite direction. Hillary or McCain, however much I dislike them also, will be better for the Presidential post.
I couldn't agree with you more. Obama would be a disaster. Rather than focusing on his middle name, there needs to be a lot more focus on the issues you brought up. It is all far too emotional.
The biggest problem are the voters who really know absolutely nothing about the man, or any of the others for that matter, it's just "cool" to follow the mantra.
Obama is following the "mind control" play book to a tee.
I also agree with you. The media has hyped up Obama to rock star status. They are pushing him, big time, to Joe Average Media Consumer. Obama recently outspent Hillary on advertisng by a four to one ratio during last week's American Idol episode. I don't know if you like American Idol; I think it is a bunch of crap. They are hoping the types of people that watch American Idol (and the other main-stream media garbage they are using their advertising $$ on), who generally have been apathetic voters in the past, will get motivated by this hype and vote for "Change".
I really hope I'm wrong, because the betting man in me says Obama will be our next Commander in Chief. I was wrong about Bill Clinton. Somehow, I don't think that is the case w/Obama. God help us...
His staple is to prey on feelings and emotions. Intellect is not something I have ever heard him utilize in his responses or to explain his decisions.
It doesn't surprise me that he gets the college kids with this. I find it hard to believe that thinking adults cannot or won't see through all of this.
The Rezko trial starts tomorrow...maybe he will have to answer some real questions with some real answers someday.
Name one time he "reached across the aisle" in his 3 years in the Senate.
He says he will sit down with Achmadenijad. Whether you like Fox news or not...he won't even accept an interview with any of them. So...what does that tell you about what he thinks of the American people, and how is that attempting in any way to "bring people together"?
It is a long way to November and I am still holding on to faith in the American people. If the majority really want Socialism that is what they will get.
I visited his official site. Listened to his introductory video and then headed straight for the issues tab. I have to admit, I was a little suprised. There are some policy proposals that I have to say don't sound that bad, especially the middle class tax cuts and some of the business tax incentives, but I realized that everything I was reading was the same as his speaches. Some good policy proposals. Some redistribution of wealth. All empty promises.
Who is going to pay for all these freebies, handouts, and job creation programs?
And the poverty section only detailed his American poverty programs. Where is the massive pile (hundred billions) of our cash he wants to let the U N redistribute?
If you have a problem with the failings of our bureaucratic system check out the United Nation's track record. I say distance ourselves as much as possible from those wastes of time.
appointed to one of Obama's committee's until just yesterday. VERY poor judgment.
Manipulation through guilt , which has obviously been very effective, perpetuates bigotry. If he truly sees "hope" as he preaches, I have to wonder...."hope" to avenge?The candidate of "unity". His actions prove him to be a walking, talking oxymoron.
As for DavidWalters post above: You may not find it important to state the pledge of allegiance to this country, or fly the flag, and you may dismiss those rituals as "templates of appearances" or "empty gestures" of patriotism, but there are those among us that respect what the American flag and the pledge stand for. We remember all of the sacrifices that so many generations paid before ours that gave us those rituals and the power behind them. The VERY LEAST I expect from a president of this country is their show of patriotism. This includes placing your hand over your heart when saying the pledge, this includes proudly standing with the flag that represents us. If you don't want to show those things, then you have the choice not to, but to dismiss such displays as "nothing" is a grave mistake. You should be ashamed, and so should Barack Obama.
I'm very curious as to why DavidWWalters did not comment on the 20 year association and deep rooted friendship of Barack Obama with a proud and very vocal anti-American pastor. I'm curious to know your thoughts on that. Do you approve of this connection?
From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”. Barack Obama
From Dreams of my Father, “The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.” Barack Obama
From Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” Barack Obama
From Dreams Of My Father, “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names” Barack Obama
From Dreams from my Father, "At best, these things [manifestations of blackness] were a refuge; at worst, a trap. Following this maddening logic, the only thing you could choose as your own was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage, until being black meant only the knowledge of your own powerlessness, of your own defeat. And the final irony: Should you refuse this defeat and lash out at your captors, they would have a name for that, too, a name that could cage you just as good. Paranoid. Militant. Violent. Nigger." Barack Obama
“What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics.” Barack Obama
Is this the character of a person anyone can honestly trust? His platform has been all about rising above race...
Obama is not fit to be the president of the United States of America.
It's curious that Michelle Obama's (then Michelle LaVaughn Robinson) senior thesis at Princeton is being held back (by Princeton) from public view until November 5, 2008. It was specifically written on the racial divide as she was an "African American studies" minor. I did find it at the "Politico" website however. I will be reading it. The more I research, the more concerned I become, as I stated before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzHQ_PC1uI
Interesting.
It is unfathomable to me that he could win the majority of the vote. Are people paying attention? Nothing adds up.
The bigotry, hate, and racism is so obvious. It s so much more than "guilt by association". How does anyone who is not black believe that he does not feel hate toward them? Have we become that soft and naive of a society? I am very interested to see more than excerpts from Michelle's thesis as well. I have already heard the excuses of the supporters though. It really is unbelievable. The messiah preaches the "gospel of the social victim". It seems that people either feel like a victim or the ones that don't, feel guilty about the victims. They are blinded...bamboozled.
Here is more of what he knew...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03...
You can find Michelle Obama's thesis here: Download the four parts in blue links:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642....
Good point,
.....we American's are great in so many ways, but to expose our own faults and learn from them is NOT one of our strong suits as a nation. When Rev. Wright spoke, he spoke about things that touch a raw nerve.......but truth, nevertheless.
To really love your country, sometimes means you have to speak out to make this nation better(a more perfect union)......we are not perfect, just as Rev. Wright's spoke of it in his infamous sermon that few have listened to in it's entirety....
We have failed in all the instances he enumerated. Telling the truth is not racism.
Oh, by the way, Rev Wright did serve his country in the Marine Corps....and as a man who has worn the uniform as a US Paratrooper, i say he has the right to say what is on his mind, and i do not have a problem with that.
you never fail to disappoint. I love how the hand over heart, the absence of a flag on his lapel, and the fact that he is not a star bowler are your biggest arguments against Obama. Nice! *Clap, clap, clap*. Really, way to go!
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We should coin a new term........lapel pin patriots!
like the punk inhabiting the white house now, ran from service in Vietnam to hide out in a NG unit(they didn't go to 'nam).........but has no compunction about sending Cindy Shehan's son to his death.
My first candidate of choice was Ron Paul, but it seems apparent that he's not going to win. I have some issues with McCain such as his continuation of the No Child Left Behind program and Iraq War, but as far as I'm concerned, Obama isn't really fixing those either. (remember, Obama voted to continue funding the Iraq War)
this post of yours has been sitting out there since february indicating exactly how much credibility you have. if you had an ounce of intellect... if you had this superior power of "the think" and were "informed" as you claim, you would have the ability to seek out the truth. had you the ability for this, this post would have been removed explaining that it was, in fact, a lie.
sadly, it is more than obvious that you lack these skills, preferring to plop "out there" mindless rhetoric, lies, repitition of email rubbish that have been repeatedly proven false debunked for what they are= crap. , many of these are originating from hate groups. hate groups which you apparently endorse, since you continue to spread their lies, inuendo, and misrepresentations.
you have already stated to me that you endorse many of michael (alan-weiner-i-am-so-ridiculous-i-cannot-even-use-my-real-name) savage...an individual that has been ridiculed and distanced by all thoughtful conservatives of any note as well as kooks like bill o'reilly.
a few facts-( not that these could possibly alter your thinking, because you appear entirely closed minded - seeking only that information which lines with your own pre-formed or email-influenced thinking process.)
the poster of che on the wall behind an obama volunteer belongs to the volunteer- working in her own workplace...not in an official obama headquarters. it endorses nothing . it's a statement.
at her age i had a poster of him on my wall too...along with one of lenin, kennedy, garbo, chaplin, the beatles and albert einstein, among others. it's a statement, pure and simple. just as hanging the flag upside down is a statement.... just as protesting what you feel are unjust government policies is a statement...
you are in the bay area...why don't you wander over some of the bookstores and discover what the 60's movement was all about? why do you not wish to understand? are you so in fear of the fragility of your closely held (and extreme minority) viewpoints that you are afraid to hear the words of others -for fear of losing all that keeps you glued to your keyboard with negativity, suspicion, and deceipt?
this constant noise about patriotism and what "constitutes" this....according to you.
absolute nonsense and stupidy flows freely from those who tout the "i'm an american and you...not so much because I wear a flag pin...and you don't.
the wearing of a flag pin on your clothing (a majority of these are non-US made by the way),
the wearing this item had become the ultimate symbol of hypocracy demonstrated by this administration. those of us with the ability to actually think on our own found this hypocracy disgusting.
understand: the flag is a symbol...a symbol of what a handful of brave men wrote that would guide the laws of this land. documents that underscored our freedoms and our independence from the wills and whims of the british rule. documents that have stood for centuries as this nation's creed, it's promises, it's celebration of a free people.
this administration has demonstrated this love of country by thumbing their collective noses at the constitution- the seperate branches of government designed for the necessary check and balance required - it has seen corruption at the highest levels- while a rubber-stamp congress that turned a blind eye to signing statements, illegal wiretaps, justice department influence to alter elections and voter fraud, cronyism that brought in an inept cabinet, the outing of a covert agent (treason), and ignored/cherry picked information to create fear and an urgency to "go to war" when no such urgency ever existed. a man in the oval office who swore to uphold the constitution then set about in every manner possible to avoid doing this.
you call this patriotism?
perhaps you need to re-think just what patriotism is- it is our duty to question. it is our duty to provide oversight and checks and balances.
uc...you really need to get out of that little bubble of yours... look around you... that blur you see is the rest of the world passing you by.
Looks like you might have a few professional Obamacommunist on your site. I have to admit they are a little refreshing over the high school kids wantabe's and David Waters, who must have gone delusional during his stay at Brag.
Did you read the story in Canada about the 12 year old kid that sue'd her dad because he grounded her. She won, this is the crap that we are heading towards on our road to a socialistic society. My only question is will the Extremist kill us before we all start learning russian?
All this PC don't judge a book by it's cover crap is getting old, don't like it then change your cover, you look like a shit head, then I will judge you as such.
The rightwing PC of defining Patriotism by merely silly gestures instead of REAL service to your country is what's really getting old.
But the real shitheads are those that see a problem and pretend it's not that big of a deal.
Wanna cut wastful spending? Cut an order for a Virginia class sub and you save $80 Billion or so..........what's wrong with that?
Pick up the book by Howard Zinn "A People's History of the United States" and then you will learn about doing justice.
First, you need to understand that our bad economy isn't because of capitalism and the Great Depression wasn't because of some flaw in it. It was the government manipulating interest rates artificially and the Federal Reserve manipulating the money supply that caused the crash then and now. (The New Deal programs didn't do shit, in fact they lengthened the Depression. Why? Because central planning of an economy doesn't work, it did the USSR in) Our dollar has been devalued greatly because of the government trying to borrow so much money. If they kept their nose out of it as the Constitution intended, then we wouldn't be in this mess. Do yourself a favor and take a macroeconomics class.
Second, if you look to a lot of the poorer countries in Africa, you'll notice that a lot of then are ruled under dictatorships in the name of "socialism". The Soviet Union and China classify their governments under the socialism belt and yet, look at their people. Are they happy? Do they have civil liberties and an opportunity to achieve whatever they want to do? Not really. It has gotten better under China, but that's because the Chinese government ALLOWED more privatization in their country. Guess what, Bush expanded the government's interference in the economy and in our lives, now we're seeing the results of big government. Don't be fooled into thinking socialism is the solution, in fact, the opposite is what's required. Socialism only create a very small group of wealthy people and a very large group of poor people.
http://www.cafepress.com/frenchtv1.289756747
I guess you're correct about our once great nation
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/06/11/president-obama-many-white-supremacists-are-celebrating/
I guess Obama's a white supremacist, too.
My teacher encouraged me to investagate myself, and so I am.
I was at first alarmed to find that everything found online, in books and even slipping off the lips of the leaders of our free world contridict themselves somewhere else. I find myself growing fearfully suspicious that there really isn't a source that I can blindly trust. After reading this blog the election now seems like a gamble with the hope of drawing the lesser evil. How can this be true?
Does 2+2=5?
The Lamentations of Buffalo Barry…
…the first eleven stanzas, without photos…
I was hatched in eden’s garden
By a marxist girl from oz
She posed maculate conception
But my pa slipped thru her paws
Oh bummer.
Where’s daddy? Echoed ‘round me
And my gramma said "He’s gone!"
When’s he coming back to get me
Cause I’m left here all alone?
Oh bummer.
I sure don’t look like all you white folk
And I don’t know how to fit
Why’d my daddy leave this country?
Gramps and grammy pitched a fit
Oh bummer.
Little outfits on the sunny beach
With hats and spats galore
I’m cute for crowds, but roast my nuts
And mom’s acting like a whore,
…again…
Oh bummer
Exotic Indonesia
Dirty floors and smelly food
Little sissy don’t quite match me
Step-red’s muslim, poor and rude
Oh bummer.
Where’s mom? she sent me back
And kept my lighter baby sis;
Must’ve made her mad she’d act so bad
Dump me on gram like this;
Oh bummer.
White preppy school in paradise
Being vapid ain’t so bad
Sing Punahou and Barry too
Maui Wowie’s really rad
…busted…
Oh bummer.
Prepschool granulation, none too soon
Jet me out from paradise
As far away as I can get
Mexifornia is nice
Ho bummer.
Oxy then Columbia
And Harvard Law for fun,
Chicago fairly fits my style
I could become ‘The One’
Have hummer…
…will travel.
Senate’s just my steppin’ stone
On my way uptown
Influence peddlin’ mastery,
Race won’t hold me down;
Ho bummer.
Oval Office, White House style
The simple life for me,
Adoration of the Magi
Taking walks across the sea--
Newcomer
This summer--
Oh bummer.
The Keltic Poet
August 31, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN8EMmML-es
no one knows where McCain actually stands on this issue since it's different depending upon the group he is addressing.
No, the real Patriot is Obama, not the Former POW who dropped bombs on downtown Hanoi.
Obama believes in a bigger, more controlling government (as evidenced by his 'government program for everything' and higher taxes/higher cost of living intention the liberals are trying to sell as a spur to economic growth???? No way, no how, NOBAMA.
Not the country controlled by Exxon/Mobil, which is McCain's America. What has Exxon/Mobile done for MY nation?
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. Your response states clearly a number of things, first and foremost Obama's socialist idea of 'ECONOMIC JUSTICE' which means penalizing people for success. I notice you lefties never seem to criticize the Health Care industry, which has solidly leapt to the Democratic side because of the chance of GUARANTEED health care which will GUARANTEE 5-10% growth above what they are already seeing on their bottom line. WHy? Because socialized/guaranteed health care will be 10 TIMES the problem as social security, and I notice the Dems have NEVER uttered the words COST CONTROLS. Why? Because anything that lines their coffers is 'for the people,' and anything that leans right is 'evil big business.' I just LOVE how that works for you!! You must be very proud....even smug.
In terms of the 'Big, bad oil companies,' I notice you leave out the massive amount of money the oil companies have been pouring into the left lately, because again, NEARSIGHTED Obama has flopped from NO DRILLING to 'Okay, SOME drilling' (whatever the hell that means.) PLUS, they still cannot figure out you need FIVE POINTS of ENERGY to get off foreign dependence.....Oil for cars (since we're 20 years from any infrastructure related to alt-fuel cars) plus nuclear, wind, solar and hydro for structures. The DEMS DO NOT GET the rising demand for energy, and here's an example for you....you know those 400+ wind turbines in palm Springs? They work so well that the liberal anti-nuclear Californians BUY ALL THE POWER from Palo Verde Nuclear Plant. What kind of 'Not In My Back Yard' crap is that??
Again, hard to argue with documented fact. Now, whatever you do, DON'T EXPLAIN YOUR SUPPORT OF A SOCIALIST CANDIDATE ANY WHY HIS HISTORY DOES NOT BOTHER YOU, be sure to come back with the typical, half-a$$ed anti-conservative remark.
Then we can talk about the 20,000 crack addicts your liberal Congress let out earlier this year. With any luck they are moving into your neighborhood.
In terms of 6.1% unemployment, what would you expect this year? Companies inflating their payrolls when they are unaware who will be elected in 58 days (andf the guy favored looking to JACK THEIR TAXES UP?) Unemployment numbers typically decline around an election where the result is in doubt, UNLESS the economy is cruising so well to transcend it. In 2000, the layoffs hit in 2001....crash of the IPO's and 9/11's effect on Aero. In 2004 the results wasn't really in doubt as the needle moved solidly left. Go back into history and you will see year of or year after election effects on unemployment. It sucks, but it's expected.
Also, if Obama wins, expect many of these jobs to go overseas since it will still be cost effective to hire at global rates than pay Obama's higher corporate and success tax. It's NOT a windfall tax...it is a penalty for success and is UNAMERICAN.
Also, David, I would like your definition of a Patriot....according to your disgusting remark that McCain was unpatriotic for flying multiple missions, I suppose my Dad was unpatriotic when he served on the ground force running supply, and my Uncle DEFINITELY must have been unpatriotic in the AIr Force while repairing those aircraft. I will also pass on your unpatriotic note when I meet Viet Nam ground vets that have historically told me the heroics of the Cobra and F-4 pilots that bailed them out when they were in a jam, and also the 'unpatrioticness' of men like Randy Cunningham and Robin Olds....double aces in their missions. In fact, Robin Olds was an ace gong back to WWII....he flew many more missions than McCain ever flew, so he must REALLY be unpatriotic.
i don't know your age, keltic- but my great-grandmother had more intellectual curiosity than you have. she taught school in a one room school house in the black hills in the 20's.
Eight yrs. ago I warned of the folly of electing an oil man to the white house. Turns out I was right, although it sure didn't make me or my wallet feel any better. We've lowered taxes on Exxon/Mobile, yet gas has gone from about$1.50/gal. to almost $4/gal. I have nothing against capitalism, but I am tired of the free ride Americans are giving to these corporate whores so they can get rich. The American people expect corporate citizens to work together to make this country prosper, but it seems as if republican philosophy is that corporations are somehow more important than the people who actually work for a living.
Who was it that said:
"George Bush gives lie to the idea of white superiority."
Also, I will also like to make you aware that TEN years ago, Clinton signed an act to increase our Reserves which spiked prices and has contnued to, as well as the ethanol subsidy which has spiked prices and WILL continue to until people wise up.
If you want to fall into like with the 'everyone from Texas is all oil and evil' then we can go all the way back the the clusterf**k known as LBJ, but the fact remains global demand would have put the fuel prices over $3 by this year ALONE....the speculators and the ethanol subsidy jacked it up the rest of the way. Instead of complaining, you should be investing.
Also, if you are so concerned about the 'big, bad oil companies,' why are you supporting a candidate who has offered the LONGEST route to energy independence? Adding new nuclear plants and drilling, as well as the addition of wind, solar and hydro plants (all five are in the Rep plan for energy) gets us to goal long before the Dems non-nuclear power plan.
"Keep doin’ what you’re doin’ and you’ll keep getting’ what you’ve got…".
Chuck Rangel
Johnny Conyers
Alcee Hastings
Kwame Kilpatrick
Shirley Franklin
Marion Barry
Bill Jefferson
Ray Nagin…
…Barry Obama [nee Dunham]
"Is you did yo’ Greek?"
Nobody is stopping you or anyone else from riding a bike to work or driving under 55mph. It has been scientifically proven that fuel efficiency decreases dramatically when driving over this speed. So for all you lead-foots out there--SLOW DOWN. I'm not about to hand my vote over to some Socialist, racist whack-job just so I can save a few pennies on a gallon of gas. And last time I checked, nobody is stopping you from buying stock in ExxonMobil. The problem isn't the oil companies, it's ignorant Americans who want to go faster and pay less to do it.
And would you please quit with the references to how you've served your country and sacrificed, etc., etc. If you're looking for pity, go talk to the ACLU. I'm sure they'd love to cry with you. The fact of the matter is that the war in Iraq is succeeding, much to the chagrin of those who opposed it. So maybe all that money hasn't been a waste after all.
Hate to say it, but Keltic Poet couldn't be more right about black leadership. I'm not being racist, I'm being realistic. Of course you liberals out there don't know the difference. If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, governs like a rat---it's probably a rat! Hey Dave, I think you've been watching too many SNL skits with Will Ferrell portraying the President.
We the people give them the opportunity to make those fat profits too my friend.........right?
The only good thing to come out of these last 8 yrs. has been the defeat of lame ideas to "privatize" social security.........think about how that would have gone if you guys hadda gotten your way!
Hmm, what's the SS debt again? Why is the system failing? Oh, that's right, because government programs are never, EVER flexible enough to accommodate growth or changes in the future. If we took the young people and gave them a simple saving account instead, we could wean ourselves away from SS & pay for the people who still have to use SS. Considering how much in the hole the program has dug itself into, there's no way that "taxing the wealthy" (whom, btw, are taxed significantly as is) will ever be able to pay for these programs. I'm not saying to put the money into the stock market, but a simple savings account that people have control over when they retire should be good enough.
I'm a recent college grad, with a wife, student loans, a car payment, and no house. Yeah, I guess someone owes me a refund on my college education, a six-figure salary, a monthly rent stipend, the cure for asthma, and a partridge in a pear tree. Anybody got a tissue!
Corporate friend--hardly. I'm just somebody who thinks with his brain instead of his ass!
"Give me back my 7.65%."
sit down and scrutinize your sources- then go look for the truth.
hint: rush limbaugh, sean hannity, glenn beck, weiner savage, ann coulter, o'reilly, and fox "news" are not sources. they are entertainers who depend upon you to remain ignorant. show that your brain can actually function and do your own research. there are a number of non-partisian sites that will give you basic facts and figures.
Hint --- EVERYONE is BIASED! The guys you mentioned above and everyone else in the media. Do your own research --- form your own opinions -- haha.
i love you definition of American........
anyone who thinks narrowly as you. Nice!
I especially love the Americans who put the Indian on reservations, denied the black man the right to vote, and bombed any country because we didn't like their leaders.
I guess i am anti-american too, because i hate all these things.
I'd like to see health care for all Americans, even those who aren't rich. I'd like to see corporate responsibility conceptualize as providing for this nation first before they provide to shareholders & C.E.O.'s
I'd like to see an end to this costly war in Iraq, and provide care to our Veterans. Just a stupid liberal, wow! Go figure.
I hear the Communist Party has an opening. Maybe you should move to Russia or China. You can get all the communism you want, along with oppression, tyranny, torture, etc., etc. You act like you have done so much for this country, yet you want to turn it into everything that it has always stood against FOR GOOD REASON. America may have made some mistakes, but it has also done some pretty damn good things. And electing Barack Obama would not be one of them.
Keep sulking with the rest of the Dems who think they are owed something. You guys should waste less time pouting and more time improving your lives.
You want to talk about entertainment, let's talk about whack-jobs like Susan Sarandon, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Tim Robbins, Matt Damon, etc. etc. Don't forget Keith Olbermann, Lou Dobbs, etc. etc.
You're right about one thing, there are plenty of non-partisan sites out there...that show with no shadow of doubt or bias that Obama is a racist, a Socialist, and flat-out liar to name a few things. Perhaps you're the one who needs to get out of the sun!
You must be on the same acid that Toe is on. You can't quite grasp the fact that corporations are made up of people. People who can buy stock, invest in CDs, money market funds, and the like. CEOs are people too. Last time I checked, anyone with a few extra bucks can invest in these companies and make a return on their investment. It doesn't matter if you're making $40,000 or $1,000,000 a year. There are no laws against investing. But I guess the people who invest are evil too, because they profit from big corporations. And the people who are employed by big corporations, I guess they're evil too because they make a living off of big corporations. Damn, the whole system has to be destroyed! Everyone will be out on the streets without a job, a paycheck, a place to live, etc. etc. But at least the big bad corporations won't be around any more. Mission accomplished, right Dave!
i'll be waiting over here.
yes, "Susan Sarandon, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Tim Robbins, Matt Damon, etc. etc. Don't forget Keith Olbermann, Lou Dobbs, etc. etc. " are all entertainers... they all happen to have a political point of view just as you do. none of them NONE of them qualify as "sources" or reporters or anything other than Americans exercising their right of free speech.
just because an individual is a hollywood celebrity it does not take away their right to speak other than from a scripted play or musical score. some are more educated on the issues than others- even the most uninformed are allowed to speak their opinions in this country- your posts are proof positive.
my objections come from statements made based upon lies. again, your post is a shining example of this.
"oppression, tyranny, torture"
... we already have this here, mike. wake up! and you can add voter suppression, vote caging, electronic voting machines rigged, push-polling- all underway by your buds in the GOP.
voter caging already underway by GOP.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article814237.ece#email
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/gop-lose-your-house-lose-your.php
and the "push-poll" more back door underhanded tactics by the GOP underway.
http://chuckcurrie.blogs.com/chuck_currie/2008/09/jewish-push-pol.html
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/09/gop-jewish-grou.html
the fact is this: the GOP cannot win on their own merit. they are tied to failed policy- both foreign and domestic, they have a candidate without a clue, they know that Obama has engaged the nation while the GOP has nothing but a bad record and promise more of the same...so, what do the GOP do? Try to create fear, they lie and they cheat. It's the only way they can win.
if you find it too troubling to seek truth, you deserve everything you get and have absolutely no right to complain.
Is that why Obama puts out adds poking fun of McCain for not knowing how to use a computer, when the reality is that McCain can't because of his physical handicap? Yeah, let's talk about merit Toe. Grow up, moron!
so very mature.
still waiting for your sources.
still waiting for Mr UC- who bad-mouths Media Matters every single time- to put here one single lie there. prove yourselves. i know that you have nothing... your problem is that you have not yet seen this.
it would be amusing except that you are playing with my future.
i don't appreciate that.
not one iota.
put up or shut up.
here is your lie;
"Obama is a racist, a Socialist, and flat-out liar "
This clown Toe has become the authority on non-partisan, credible sources. Go ahead everyone, take a look at those links he posted. Nice try Toe. If these are what you call credible sources, you're more delusional than Barack Obama!
go look it up for yourself.
google it. push-poll
google it. voter caging.
then read.
i have work to do and my babysitting time is up.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080914/NEWS03/809140383
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080914/NEWS03/809140383
http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2008/9/15/144314/231
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/26/acorn-falls-again-the-worst-case-of-voter-registration-fraud-in-washington-state-history/
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080914/NEWS03/809140383
Keep whining Toe.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...>
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/26/acorn-falls-again-the-worst-case-of-voter-registration-fraud-in-washington-state-history/
http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2008/9/15/144314/231
"You must be on the same acid that Toe is on. You can't quite grasp the fact that corporations are made up of people. People who can buy stock, invest in CDs, money market funds, and the like. CEOs are people too."
Wow! How true! People who can buy stock........like Chinese, Russians.....yeah, all kinds of people who's interests and the interest of their corporations are not always the same as the interest of America!
But no.....not all investors are evil. I used to have some money invested, and i'm certainly not evil.
I think our nation shouldn't pander to the corporate will in every policy we make as a nation. There is a greater good than profit, don't you think Mike? Profit is good, until it starts killing people or hurting our national interest, such as oil has done to America.
One more thing.....if i was on acid.......i'd be unable to type, or for that matter read your post(it's silliness notwithstanding).
@conservatives: I don't like Obama, but is voting for McCain our best choice? Considering how Bush caused a HUGE deficit along with starting a war that really had no good strategy to begin with, are we really going anywhere with McCain? If McCain had stuck to the same platform as in 2000, then I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. However, he's not targeting any of the critical spending issues such as the war & the bailouts. Pork accounts for a small amount of the total deficit. He's nowhere even close to being a fiscal conservative.
@liberals: I know you're frustrated with Bush, but Obama isn't the candidate for you either. Once he picked Biden as his VP, I knew things wouldn't be any different. His health care plan is quite vague (UHC should be single-payer to reduce overhead and make it non-profit, not create an insurance monopoly through the government), he has backtracked on the war, he wants to add more taxes to an already huring economy, and he can't even think without his damn teleprompter in front of his face.
So, where do we go? I propose voting 3rd party. You have Cynthia McKinney (Green), Ralph Nader (Independent), Bob Barr (Libertarian), Chuck Baldwin (Constitution), and Brian Moore (Socialist). I'm still up in the air between Barr and Baldwin, but voting 3rd party is a much better choice compared to voting for the corrupt establishment.
Many, many good men died in the long war against Marxism - most have now been forgotten were they ever remembered in the first instance. We shall honour their memory. A fame perpetual and a name immortal and everlasting.
The ignorant comments of the majority of those who have responded to these statements about Obama and Communism, are to be shrugged off just as many of my ancestors, as true western men, forged on and defeated those who would impose evil. The great failing as an ideology of communism in all its forms is little known but undeniable, despite its pretensions there always existed a fatal and massive flaw within its centre, namely the total lack of any mythus/mysticism. It was only the huge resources of the USSR together with the now more acknowledged weaknesses of many sections within the Western world that prevented its downfall 50 years earlier than happened. It is an indictment that those weaknesses have been allowed to grow and even be nurtured in the years that have flowed since that time. I have no doubt so much pain could have otherwise been avoided but that is the fault of many of man - they forget. Then again as some have recently proven - not all forget.
And to those who have not forgotten - I say, I have no doubt that after you have gone your real compatriots will be able to turn and remark “here was a man who ‘died a true american’”.
Todt dem Marximus
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print
Here is the truth
http://lgwilliams.com/obama/obama_poster_challenge2.html
On a side note, "No, I don’t have an American flag outside of my house or on the back of my car." ... and yet you chastise someone for not wearing it?
your other problem is your "love it or leave it" issue.
get over yourself, dude.