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Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

does it matter? — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:29:33 -0000

in the end the parties arn't that far removed from each other, both receive huge grants from business donors and hence seek to repay them when in office...
yes people change minds ironically McCain was the biggest flip flopper during the campaign, I'LL SAVE THE ECONOMY and then the election bid was back on, his concern for solving the economy seemingly gone.
with the economic crisis it is clear that regulation is needed to slove the problem, it was a lack of intervention that caused the problem in the first place....

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Mignon Evans — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:38:52 -0000

Seems to me that we need to distinguish between defferent types of "flipfloppers".

Any intelligent, open-minded person will sometimes change his/her mind based on either new facts or a different perception of the already-known facts. That is not only acceptable but desireable.

Then, there is the person who quickly changes his mind, often depending upon whom he is talking to/ with. His opinion when he's participating at a seminar with CEOs will be different from his opinion when he's talking to bluecollar workers. I don't mean just a different style of speech; that's understandible and smart. I mean the substance of his opinions changes.

When you apply this criteria to Obama, you find him telling the Jewish leaders in Miami that Jerusalem will always be the undivided capital of Israel; then, on the same day, addressing muslim leaders and saying the status of Jerusalem is a topic for negotiation.

    You will notice him telling the coalminers in Pennsylvania one thing on Monday and expressing very different views to liberals in San Francisco on Friday.
     In November he took a very strong position favoring public financing of his campaign (if nominated). When he had the party nomination sewn up, however, he announced he would do just the opposite. He broke his promise. There was no explanation. No plausible justification. It was simply a naked change of position to gain a tactical advantage.
     Obama has repeatedly stated he opposed offshore drilling for oil and/or gas. At least until recently. Now, he has begun to shift, squirm, and swiggle. That could be an honest change of mind. Actually, if he were to come out now in favor of such drilling, that would be a welcome change. Problem is. . . .do you believe him?    Can you believe him?
What is his true position? Has he really changed his mind? Or Is he saying that just to get our votes? How can we tell?

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Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Sceptical Republican — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:23:29 -0000

For all the praise that Barack Obama has received during the Democrat's nomination, you gotta wonder why the party was so split and tormented in the primary season. Judging from the raves from both Clintons, Obama has no shortcomings for the presidency. Bill Clinton forcefully announced today that Barack Obama is ready to be president. John Kerry stated that Obama is a patriot and that no one should question that.

Yet a mere four months ago, the Clintons were questioning just those issues. Hillary's 3 a.m. ad asked whether a freshman senator with literally no experience in foreign affairs would be right to lead America and be commander in chief. Now the Clinton's are backpedaling faster than Michael Phelps' Beijing backstroke.

As I wrote yesterday, this is not really surprising. The Clintons cannot afford to be seen as undermining Obama's presidential ambitions, if they want to preserve their legacy. However it is striking how many crutches they have to provide him. No one would think it necessary to endlessly reiterate that John McCain loves his nation or is ready to be commander in chief. McCain's life's story speaks for itself.

The sore point is, Obama's actions also speak for themselves, but the tale is not a good one. Reverend Wright, Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers are but a few in a long list of close Obama associates that seriously put the candidate's judgment in doubt. People will ask themselves: If Obama is so patriotic, why did he sit for 20 years in a church whose pastor called for God to damn America? Sure, we would not expect all of the 8000 church members to get up and leave. But should we not expect better judgment of the man who wants to lead our nation?

I suspect the questions surrounding this pattern of judgment lapses will keep coming up. No amount of Botox can smoothen out these faults. The republicans will remind the public of this long list of questionable characters in Obama's tailwater and ask the question: Do we really know this guy? Is he who he says he is? Can we trust him to lead our nation?

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Cory — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:41:58 -0000

I think Barack Obama has gone way beyond flip-flopping. The Cuban Embargo, the Iraq War, Welfare Reform, Gun Control, School Vouchers, Off-Shore Drilling [just because he saw how popular McCain became when he changed his mind on this because of changing circumstances] The threat of Iran, FISA, NAFTA, the Strategic Oil Reserve, Faith Based Initiative, town hall meetings, Jerusalem, Union contributions, cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, drivers' licenses for illegal aliens, decriminalizing marijuana, single payor healthcare, meeting with rogue leaders, the Patriot Act, PAYGO law, missile defense systems, gay marriage, death penalty for Osama Bin Laden, coal to liquid technologies, nuclear power...........come on, this list is making my typing fingers sore!!!!!!!!! This is so far beyond flip-flopping that it's almost something you'd expect to see in a 3 stooges movie with Obama playing all 3 parts. Or, maybe he has a problem called pathological lying. Or possibly, he just doesn't have any convictions that he has the character to stick with, or maybe he has multiple personality disorder. I'm not sure what the problem is, but IT IS A PROBLEM.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Reaper — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:23:43 -0000

I agree with toe; we should instead follow her footsteps by just calling the opposing side ignorant and close minded.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

toe — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:50:52 -0000

"flip-flopper"
"24-7",
"drink the kool-aid",
"tax and spend",
come on people... how about thinking for yourselves...come up with something less trite than these over-used catch-all phrases.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

DoubtinThomas — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:15:35 -0000

My opinion is that Sen. Obama is NOT a "flip-flopper." He is the first candidate in my experience who is firmly commited to both positions on any fiven subject AT THE SAME TIME, then announces that he firmly stands behind both.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Mignon Evans — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:51:05 -0000

Hello,

Could I get your administrator to take a look at my website, www.thenationalintelligence.com and consider adding it to your blogroll. There are several postings there that would fit right in to your content. Many focus on Obama- -- particularly one that examines his involvement with Kenyan politics and a his support of a candidate for president there who struck a secret deal with a radical Muslim organization that could have turned Kenya into an al-Qaida sanctuary--- but also includes news and commentary on other topics: legal, social, international affairs.

I believe I write with a reasonable degree of authority on these topics: a background as an intelligence officer, a couple of post-graduate degrees with a heavy focus on international relations, and 25 years as an attorney.

Anyway, please take a look at www.thenationalintelligence.com and consider the request. If I can provide any further information, pls let me know.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Alphonso Carponzo — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:01:10 -0000

Flip Flop BOP!

"Bop early and bop often." -Alphonso Carponzo
http://www.bop-o-rama.com

Your Bops really count!!!!!!!!!

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Nick — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:56:32 -0000

John McCain will NOT receive my vote and nor will any Republican. I am a registered Republican and I am fed up, tired and will not take it anymore!!!!

The Republican party is supposed to be the party of smaller government, lower taxes, etc... But they talk one hell of a good game, but won't deliver. Sorry, but I feel that the best choice would be to vote for a Liberterian candidate Bob Barr.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Loves CCC — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:35 -0000

There plenty of incidents of Obama flip-flopping. In fact both candidates do it. Obama's are a bit more obvious.

Here is a link to few. Some more obvious than others.

www.obamatron.org

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Reaper — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:33:53 -0000

So what would you rather call them? Something more PC? Strategic reconsideration? That hides the insidiousness of the act pretty well. You say using word is elementary, but you're arguing against the use of a word. In my mind, the latter is a bit worse. If the meaning is clear, just roll with it, brother!

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

freethinker — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:06:49 -0000

Could we please stop perpetuating the term "flip-flop". It sounds ridiculous and makes the American political system seem like a Kindergarten project. Stop taking your cues from mainstream media, they're a bunch of idiots and it's painfully evident.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

eyeopener — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:51:35 -0000

Love reading this site but people are taking these arguments way out of context.

Thought I would post a funny and neutral video a friend sent me:

http://www.236.com/feed/200...

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

starswent onsatin — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:49:40 -0000

by the way, miami gral attorney, and panamanian general procurator, have the same "politics" games, all anti-war on terror, and accept cuba's terrorist state (and help eliminating their battle for the ideas enemies"), legaly, as a panamanian prd party "equal law enforcement" and "philosophy" for "a selected justice point of view on crime prosecution, and... terror...)
examples of terror logistics are (already e publicly denounced) childdren&family coyote (police related car tags bringing children even) lourdes suarez, martinez single, pedro galvez, alberto at alfred karr...'s (next letters, next gang sound-torture, legal by miami authorities, ok nazialfred?, gangeroalberto? judges pedrasa, ga burns, chr. perez even protected a self-declared farc terrorist stealing my ID, understand these things reaper?, on American soil?, and "say we are right and wrong" is all you teach?
reaper, we want to hear (read) your opinion an anabelenmontes's system, castro system, manuel noriega's system, hugochavez's system....
ilustrate us with "your magnificence", your "eminence"...

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

reaper"writtingpolice" — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:33:30 -0000

So, reaper, you and many enter here, some "agree" with the conserv. opinion, and "speak" "like them", even reaper accepts democrats are the cause of the main problems, but hides liberal control of the dcn, and the worst on "my" anti-terrorist very experienced on urban batlles of the war on terror ideas, the not fisical war, the intelectual one.
And helping the enemy, by infiltration and traitors, the actual liberal is fully self-declared helper (by giving the terror state the help they need from the USA gov.) even well recorded "recognizing chavezes, torrijos, noriegas, sandinists, hamas, etc., and friendly enemies of the rest: norvietnam, norcorea, ussr, cuba, sadam, iran, syria...
reaper I just realized you said it yourself: "That said, I still think we're right and they're wrong" + a happy yellow face?, cheap treak, on this site?
(+ "my" opinions: a very experienced eMedia anti-terrorist pursued by terror logistics, actualy even), but a "work, adhonorem, by the way) that helped to catch "problems" like anabelenmontes, manuelnoriega, etc.), and you'll never even believe "what else"...
of course "I" make "no sence" for reaper, heathenheather, and others, remember, use castro's toiletpaper granma, blog there, the terrorists you help would "get close" to you, and chatt "closer", giving you tthe "chance" to "taste their danger"...
by the way, "sence" is what I feel, repeating these things some other better than me inform about, by a better English lenguage, like Levin, Rush and many, many others, "like satin stars on the sky"...

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Reaper — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:05:00 -0000

Seriously. Just post in your native language and we'll run it through an auto translator. My eyes are bleeding here...

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Heathenhater — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:28:10 -0000

castro's toiletpaper granma.........

you are really jumping of the deep end

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

ofcourseheathenheater neverund — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:22:34 -0000

thanks heathenheater for not understanding, seek for help, I'm doing my job well.
don't worry, Rush, Sean, Gleenbeck, Levin, Savage, mostly Foxnews, Ann Coulter, laura ingraham, laura Ingle, even Joyce from left, ReaganAmericans, the allies, many, so many people understand me crystal clear.
I don't write to you to understand.
read castro's toiletpaper granma, there you will easily understand want you seek to read, and post there too

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

terrorflipflopper: 911opportun — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:12:42 -0000

Mega terror flip flopping, in times of war, giving what Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, hammas, etc. want and need from the allies are very, very skerry and dagnerous.
911 opportinity came by doing the things BHObama have mega declared about terror states.
You can't unilateral desarm the USA, you can't live Iran swearing to vaporize anybody, and testing long range missiles as a terror propaganda, unchalenched, roaming free thru middle east helping insurgents and keep killing US/allies soldiers and civilians, + Iraq oil. Iraq's oil is a good reason to have gone there,
If the terrorists see any "friendly enemy" they keep publicly motivating their supporters, Iran's nuclear public systematic terror plan attacks are proove BHObama ALWAYS will help them by "just" equalize these terrorists to the same level than the ARMY on rights and capabilities thru a simple "dialog" instead a surrender.
BHObama's all the way declarations on Iran and the rest of the terrorists, are their only hope, even if he "megaflipfloppes" and calls for ONLY BUREAWcratics "action reduced to paper diplomatic sanctions",.
Sadam ignored 16 ULTIMATUMS not "from Bush", but from ($adam's) UN, of course)

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Heathenhater — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:57:27 -0000

dude, dont expect anyone to ever understand what you are saying, because you make very little sense.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

BHOterrorflipflopper waydiffer — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:53 -0000

There is a deep difference between a former POW, captured in action fighting against comunist state(another terror builder/helper system, publicly declared, by their own words, many global accomplishes)
This global system of terror logistics feeds from politicians even insitu USA, it's easy to recognize and point them:
-they recognize 'legaly" terror related "liders" and build "ways" to sytematicly support them, ex: chavez, cuba, hammas, sandinists, manuelnoriega, etc., all where "recognized&legalized" with all rights by the anti-war on Iraq...
-they mega flipflopp but keep what the terrorists need against the USA security (and the world if there are no Bush or Mcain kind of liders to stop them, bringing easily more 911s opportunities)
-they are all related to leftists, marxists, anti-God, oilprices high, sexschools with gangland culture instead God, mega$candal cities, or more anti-war on iraq... to help Iran take easier iraq... and Iraq's oil...
-they have a massive terror logistic civilian army, for any potencial or opportunity to fisicaly invade the USA, borders, pensions, labor, education... and change History of victory for defeat (ex: Vietnam)
-they are predictable on terror help, that's why BHObama C H A N G E S now, risking to loose the anti-American supporters, programed by this terror logistic
-They deny any "old global plan" to repace public officials for terror helpers to "create sanctuaries" (ex: Miami's war on terror supporters have a heavier burden than their logistic people on jobs, family "legalities if they plant you political family related to terror to rule)
-their people are decades experienced programed, they never stop... until have miracle surprises like anabelenmontes
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Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Arch-duke — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:39:29 -0000

Can we even technically call NObama or MCCain "flip-floppers" anymore? Really. In my experience, people shell out $4 for a pair of flip-flops and then won't stop wearing them until the strap breaks or they actually wear the entire sole down until their basically just barefoot. If you want to use a word that means someone who will-nilly seems to change their mind based on little to no information, perhaps we should be calling them "crackheads at Burger King." Those guys are always twitching and lying and trying to trick you into thinking that a cheeseburger meal comes with a vial. I'm comfortable with this discourse. Would the junior senator from Ill Noise please get up, you have a collect call from your baby's momma. Celebrate 2008 with a shirt: from www.cafepress.com/nobamanoway.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Norski — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:15:32 -0000

You raise a couple good points:

'Flip-flopping happens'
'What matters is how often -and why - it happens'

I'm more worried about the politico who never changes a position, even when circumstances change. That's not someone who should be making decisions.

About who is the bigger intellectual acrobat, I pass. Thankfully, it's a few months before the election - there's still time to dig into the records.

Re: The Politics of Flip Flopping; Republicans and Democrats are both guilty

Reaper — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:58:14 -0000

Jarrod,

On the first 3 paragraphs, all I can cay is "seconded," but I still like to pick their brains and see where they're coming from; we all have noble intentions, but we just have radically different perceptions of what America would best represent the will of the people. This perception is, of course, completely dependent on what we want personally and nothing else. That said, I still think we're right and they're wrong :P

On your final paragraph, the only change will come after unfettered Democrat control of all angles of government. This will force the Republican party through a reformation of sorts, re-identifying with their roots and the people. The intervening years of the Democrats completely screwing everything up will then help the Republicans reassert control, thus re inflating their egos. Thus the cycle of corruption will begin anew. At least I hope that's how it'll work. I'm not in the mood to see a civil war in my lifetime...